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The Knights Templar vs The Catholic Church?

People who believe themselves to be the descendents of the Knights Templar have filed suit against former Nazi Youth member Joseph Alois Ratzinger, who you probably know as Pope Benedict XVI, the current pope.  The heirs are seeking $150,000,000,000- that’s billion- in damages.

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If the Catholic Church was hard pressed to come off of dough and admit guilt to sexually abusing a multitude of still living children, then I find it highly improbably that this “christian” organization will budge on giving this group so much as the apology that they also seek.

Cheers,

Tom

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Atheism vs China

The difference between being anti-christian and atheist is one simply does not believe in any god and allows everyone to worship whatever they want and the other tried to stomp out christianity as a way of worship.  A wide majority of atheist are *not* anti-christian.  Though many of us point out the inconsistencies as we see them with religions, at the end of the day we agree that people should be free to worship or not worship what they want.

Square this with our “most favored trade partner”, China.  They recently stole 300 bibles from a christian group who had arrived to give out bibles for free to whomever wanted them.  There was no theological argument here, no explanation of why this group could not give away the book they believe in, they just took the mother fuckers like thugs running free in post-apocalyptic Bangkok.

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“Christian” author announces that Obama is *not* the anti-christ

Isn’t this kinda like asking a guy, “when did you stop beating your wife”? The implication is that Obama has some of the criteria needed to be the boogey man of John’s revelation. And for me, it’s over the line… If asked this question the author should have rightfully scoffed and made a mockery of the questioner, that’s how absurd it is.

There are stupid questions people, and then there are smart statements made by supposedly “religious” people that are disguised as questions, whose aim is to injure a man’s integrity.

Way to follow christ Jerry Jenkins.

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Are Democrats Really That Bad?

Yesterday a man went into the office of Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney fatally shooting him.  So far there is nothing being reported as the motive for the attack, but the shooting reminded me of the right wing nut job Jim D. Adkisson and his attack on “liberal” people in church.  In fucking church.  What kind of republican attacks people while they are in church?  While I would never want to label republicans as people that approved of the recent lethal attacks on democrats, it does also bring to mind that fringe “pro-life” group operation rescue was a republican domestic terrorist that routinely intimidated and bombed abortion clinics.  They even bombed the Olympics in Atlanta!

Again, I don’t want to lay all of this at the feet of the average republican, but I cannot recall *ANY* democrats in America that have attacked republicans based on their “conservative” beliefs, be it on abortion or any other…  If I am wrong on that please comment with *SPECIFIC* instances.  This is a time when I’d love to be wrong.  I’d much rather chalk these attacks up to random chance aka if you have enough people in a group there are going to be some that are murderers.

Cheers,

Tom

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The “Blue Laws”

I was watching a documentary on Thomas Jefferson recently. It was a basic overview of his life, but useful. Of particular note to me was the reminder of how hard he fought to give Virginia freedom of religion through a separation of church and state. It reminded me of how, when I was growing up in Maryland we were not permitted by law to shop on Sundays. That’s right. There was a state law on the books that would not allow most businesses to open on Sundays. It began as a religious law, but the righties were able to dodge the supreme court by crafting the law in secular language stating it was “to provide a uniform day of rest for all citizens” on a secular basis and to promote the secular values of “health, safety, recreation, and general well-being”.

Of course the law was eventually overturned, but not without a fight.

Allow me now to bring Thomas Jefferson into the equation.

Here is an excerpt of Jefferson’s famous letter to Danbury Baptists explaining to them the concept of the separation of church and state and how it is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution:

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Oddly, right-wing religious zealots still say things like, “the phrase separation of church and state never appears in the Constitution”- some ignorantly, some knowing damn well that the phrase was created by Jefferson using the principals of the Constitution and later cited by the Supreme Court of the United States beginning in 1878.

Likewise, James Madison used the phrase “separation of church and state”. Madison backed Jefferson’s “Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom” which was written in 1779 and voted in as law of the state in 1786. Here is a brilliant excerpt:

“… no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

Of course Jefferson also wrote the following:

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote “Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?”)

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

And this final one is for those people that still believe wrongly that Thomas Jefferson was a devout Christian- he was not- he was a deist.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

But again, incredibly, a lot of right wing Christian zealots totally distort Jefferson’s words and record on religion.  He was not anti-religion, nothing could be further from the truth, except, perhaps, those that state he was a Christian founding father.  All evidence aka Jefferson’s own words, point to the fact that he had a deep abiding respect for Jesus Christ as a moral leader, but doubted the resurrection and many other tenets of Christian faith.

Though Thomas Jefferson is a complex man not easily given to concise description, he certainly was not the man current right wingers pain him to be.

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Primetime McCain

So *this* is the guy religious people want to vote in?

WWJD indeed.

And then he gets absolutely PWNED on Meet the Press…

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McCan’t Attacks Obama For Statements Written at the Holocaust Museum

I think the McCain campaign is terrified that this election might get away from them sooner rather than later. They are still relatively close as a recent Rasmussen poll had him down just 6%. This before picking a VP or the Republican National Convention bump. Yet this week he seems to be trying to throw everything possible at Obama as if his defeat is imminent.

From author Muzikal203 at the Daily Kos:

At the Holocaust memorial, Obama wore a white skullcap as he laid a wreath in memory of the victims of the Nazis.

Later, he said: “I am always taken back to sort of the core question of humanity that the Holocaust raises. That is, on the one hand, man’s great capacity for evil, and on the other hand, our ability to come together to stop evil.

He added, “So despite this record of monumental tragedy this ultimately is a place of hope because it reminds us of our obligations and responsibilities hopefully to raise a better future for our children and our grandchildren.” He said he hoped he could bring his two young daughters with him on his next trip.

In signing the guestbook, he wrote, “May we remember those who perished, not only as victims but also as individuals who hoped and loved and dreamed like us, and who have become symbols of the human spirit.

I’m looking for the full text of what Obama wrote in the guestbook, but have not found it online yet.  In the note he invokes the phrase “Never Again”.

McCan’ts people were quick to respond quoting that portion of the guestbook with this press release:

Obama on Genocide

Obama today at Yad Vashem:

“Let our children come here and know this history so they can add their voices to proclaim ‘never again.’ And may we remember those who perished, not only as victims but also as individuals who hoped and loved and dreamed like us and who have become symbols of the human spirit.”

Obama on July 20, 2007:

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

“Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.[1]

Unfortunately, for the McCan’t fact checkers, Obama has clearly been on record as wanting to keep a military response unit in Iraq to stop any such ethnic cleansing.  And it could be argued that Obama was stating that when considering US war policy it’s just not as simple as “there is a need”, we have to evaluate a whole stratum of things before we make the leap into war.  I know, you warmongers have been spoiled like children given chocolate for dinner with the current blood thirsty administration, so perhaps you don’t understand the decision to actually go to war and kill thousands of people should be one that is given the most sober of contemplation.

When asked to clarify their attack McCain aide Michael Goldfarb responded:

“Today he says ‘never again.’ A year ago stopping genocide wasn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces in Iraq. Doesn’t that strike you as inconsistent?”[2]

And as for the overall attack.  It is classless.  First of all, McCan’t point is dubious.  Secondly, Obama was at a place that some may find sacred.  It’s certainly a place people visit with a large amount of reverence and respect.  For him to be attacked for his words is jam droppingly bad politics for a man that touts himself as a straight shooter that is running a “clean” campaign.  How the fuck is this clean campaigning?  The thing that eases my mind on this is that McCan’t point didn’t score.  No one will vote based on this attack.  Yet this flub looks like another “oops” on the campaign trial and might be a catalyst to increasing his downhill slide into being the victim of an election rout.

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Tom

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